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- None. When the term Swedenborgian is used it refers to the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg, in descriptions of things such as heaven, hell, angels and devils. Swedenborgianism is the religious movement founded after Swedenborg. --Fred chessplayer 15:53, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Kingdom Hospital is based somewhat on a Danish television program which itself borrowed some ideas from a very loose reading of either some of Swedenborg's works, or of one of many derivative works that merely describe and interpret his works. Fred is right, though, that "Swedenborgian" in this case more properly refers to Swedenborg. However, the term "Swedenborgian" can also refer to an individual or an organization that is itself part of Swedenborgianism. --Mac 21:43, 2005 Apr 7 (UTC)
It has been mentioned in a couple of different venues that the denominational membership statistics look skewed and/or very old. However, I don't have recent data, myself. Could someone with better information verify/correct the numbers? --188.8.131.52 01:50, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC) (aka --Mac 01:52, 2005 Jun 18 (UTC))
- I'm not sure if the figures I put in are anymore accurate. Mostly they are based on that religious movement site. Numbers are a bit perplexing as they tend to have a small presence in several nations. I've heard rumors there are even Swedenborgians in North Korea, but so far thet are only rumors. It sounds like they are also becoming an "open" church which possibly complicates things further depending on what it means.
- A Contra Costa Times article in 2005 backed up the figure of 50,000 internationally. Although I'm not sure how credible that is. Most things I've read indicate they have around 25,000-30,000 members. The figure of 10,601 I gave is probably a bit too low. --T. Anthony 07:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
- I at one time removed several links to various organisations around the world, I remember for instance one being Czech. You may want to look into that in the edit history.
- May different numbers perhaps be because baptised Swedenborgians are counted apart from people who are just affiliated with the church?
- Fred-Chess 10:36, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
- I'd wonder that. There does seem to be layers of affiliation or involvement. Possibly the number of active members is the lower number, 10,610 or whatever, and 50,000 is like the high estimate based on whoever was baptized or something. I might look through those older versions, but it'll have to wait as I'm hoping to take a few days off--T. Anthony 12:12, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
- Old discussion, I know. Does anyone have specific references to the 25,000-30,000 number? There's another reference to 50,000 members at adherents.com, although that does seem high to me.--184.108.40.206 15:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge from True christianity
The article True christianity is about Swedenborgian doctrine. It has been proposed that True christianity be moved into the beliefs section of this article. Grigory Deepdelver AKA ArcholaTalk 00:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Moving this here would be ok with me. It should be noted that among New Church members freedom of thought and expression is allowed and there is no dogmatic standard, so it may be hard to find exact wording that everyone can agree upon in the explanation of doctrines.
Also, I am a so called "Swedenborgian" and I do not like to be so called, so it is somewhat bothersome to think of the New Church idea of True Christianity being put under the term Swedenborgianism. I follow the Lord, not Swedenborg, but I understand that there needs to be a place for this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonschnarr (talk • contribs)
- Merge. This is very similair content and the title is very POV. —Aiden 03:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- Merge. True christianity is inherently POV. I have to admit that until I read Archola's post on True Christianity, I had heard of the New Church but never of "Swedenborgianism" and (if asked) would have guessed it to be a wordplay joke based on the Chef in the Muppets. I've got a lot of new reading; this is REALLY good 19th C religious background. The article is succinct, readable, and informative with phenomenal source work. In fact, this might make a great Featured Article candidate after the merge. Comments? Kevin/Last1in 19:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- Frankly, not much substantive that I can see. Good question. Looks like The New Church article was split off (I'm not kidding here) from a pro wrestling article. Maybe after a diff check we might do two merges for the price of one? I'd like to hear from regular contributors, though. Unfortunately, none of them seem to have active user pages other than Fred... Perhaps one is a subset of the other (i.e. Orthodox Church of Mount Sinai compared to the Eastern Orthodox Church)? PS to Archola: you asked about your sig line. It is still 255 code characters long. That's a bunch. I don't see why anyone cares, though. Kevin/Last1in 23:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- I asked Fred, the only person with both significant contributions and a talk page, what he thought about a merge and got the following response: Well, I don't have much to say about it actually... but thanks for asking... The reason why the article name is Swedenborgianism because the 1911 EB, which the article was originally based on, had its article at that name. But perhaps two articles, The New Church and Swedenborgianism, is more suitable. Fred-Chess 09:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC) I don't know how much that helps us. I still think a merge and redir is appropriate. PS to Deepdelver: Yeah, that sig is shorter, but I don't see any reason to let anti-hobbit prejudice pressure you to use a muggle name instead of proclaiming your inner hobbit... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Last1in (talk • contribs)
So, it seems we have five votes for merge: Homestarmy, myself, Aiden, Kevin and Wesley. (Some of these votes are at Talk:True christianity.) It seems unananimous. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 16:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey Guys, hold on. What about merging "True Christianity" with "The New Church". I would prefer that over merging it with Swedenborgianism. Also, can someone explain to me why when I wrote the article for "The New Church" it was not separate from the "Disciples of the New Church" wrestling thing? Can't there be an article for both?
And can I just do it myself or what? Obviously the beliefs would not need to be listed twice, but the True Christianity part could go below them. Jasonschnarr 17:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, merge it with one article or the other (or both). I don't have a preference, although I can't speak for everyone. Yes, if you wish, go ahead and make the merge yourself. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 18:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)