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Official name: USA TODAY[edit]

The name of the newspaper, USA TODAY, appears nowhere in this article with the official capitalisation. I think in the infobox it should say the official name, and maybe in the first sentence (because there's a WP policy that company names should generally appear in official spelling in the first sentence; don't know if that applies here as well). What do y'all think? Andibrema (talk) 02:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

See MOS:CAPS. Wikipedia generally capitalizes only the first letter of each word in a trade name or title of a creative work, regardless of how the text is displayed on the page (or the product, the advertising for it, etc.). It might be appropriate to add a parenthetical note to the lede, "stylized as USA TODAY". ``` t b w i l l i e ` $1.25 ` 21:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
For examples, see Cake (band): Cake (stylized CAKE) is an American alternative rock band and Aldi: Aldi (stylized as ALDI) is the common brand of two German family-owned discount supermarket chains. Also compare The Wall Street Journal and National Post, two other prominent newspapers that style their name in ALLCAPS, but whose Wikipedia articles use mixed case for their names throughout. ``` t b w i l l i e ` $1.25 ` 22:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
The Wall Street Journal[1][2] and the National Post[3] are, in fact, not "officially" all caps. CAKE and ALDI, however, are. As you said, the latter two brands are mentioned in their "proper" way in their respective articles (although I do think that the word "stylized" doesn't necessarily implicate that). This article, on the other hand, doesn't even bother to mention it once; once again, I do not think it should be spelled all caps throughout the article, but at least in the infobox, where the name is not even within the context of a sentence, but rather fulfils the mere purpose of being stated. Andibrema (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
I've never liked the word "stylized" used this way, but Wikipedia seems to have settled on it -- it's invariably the word that lede paragraphs use when referring to a typographical affectation of this sort. The way it's done in other Wikipedia articles is to use the non-standard "trademark" capitalization (or punctuation, as the case may be) in a parenthetical note in the lede, and to use standard capitalization both in the infobox and throughout the rest of the article. I would note that in this case, the infobox also contains images both of the logo and a typical front page, so a reader who looks at the infobox first will see instantly that USA Today refers to itself in all-caps. I agree that this article should make prominent mention of the paper's use of all-caps; I'll make the edit now. ``` t b w i l l i e ` $1.25 ` 02:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for considering my point. I would still argue that a sentence-friendly spelling is unnecessary in the infobox, and I still don't like the word "stylized"; but I'll leave this up to future editors due to missing consensus. Andibrema (talk) 19:31, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Don't get too hung up on what USA TODAY and Gannett would consider "official". The standard at Wikipedia is WP:COMMONNAME, which is more interested in the name that third-party sources use. In reporting on the McLean-based paper and its parent, here's The New York Times with "USA Today": [1]. Here's the Washington Post with "USA Today": [2]. Here's Columbia Journalism Review with "USA Today" (and "USA Today Network", another trademark that Gannett insists on writing always in all-caps): [3]. Here's the Chicago Tribune with "USA Today": [4]. Here's the Los Angeles Times with "USA Today": [5]. These are the only ones I checked, and each of them used standard capitalization. Usage in the infobox should be consistent with COMMONNAME. ``` t b w i l l i e ` $1.25 ` 20:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
WP:COMMONNAME doesn't say anything about infoboxes though, it's about article names only. I agree about the spelling in sentences and article titles. There is, however, absolutely no Wikipedia policy on titles in infoboxes, so we should apply common sense in a case like that. For me, that would mean: If it's not in a sentence, there is no reason not to use official spelling. Since an infobox is supposed to provide factual information about a topic, it is also very fitting to provide that information - in this case the information: "name". Not: "name in the context of a sentence as used by most publications". Andibrema (talk) 02:09, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
MOS:TM is essentially the same principle applied to article text. Granted, it never specifically says, "use standard capitalization in the infobox". But it does say to indicate "stylized as" (aha! so MOS:TMSTYLE is where this phrasing comes from) in the lede only, and "then resume using an alternative that follows the usual rules of spelling and punctuation, for the remainder of the article." I guess the way that I look at it is that in Wikipedia's view, "USA Today" is the name of this newspaper; "USA TODAY" is a typographical affectation by the trademark owner. ``` t b w i l l i e ` $1.25 ` 04:17, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Indexed anywhere?[edit]

Is there anywhere where I can search for articles in back issues of USA Today for use in WP articles? Newspapers.com doesn't have it, for example. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

ProQuest has it, and EC editors have ProQuest access through Wikipedia Library. Schazjmd (talk) 16:11, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Unfortunately, all ProQuest gives me is a brief abstract. I was needing the full text. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Huh...I spot-checked a few issues and see full text options for all of the articles. I do see that the full-text coverage only goes back to Feb 17, 1997. Schazjmd (talk) 16:44, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Alas, the article I need is from a date well before that. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:53, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Political Alignment[edit]

Is AllSides a reliable source? According to AllSides, USA Today’s political position is Lean Left. https://www.allsides.com/news-source/usa-today-media-bias CyberSecurityGuy (talk) 00:58, 1 October 2021 (UTC)