Talk:Tohono Oʼodham

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Source?[edit]

Where on earth did the following statement come from:

"...Rather than await the "quick fix" diabetes cure, which medical authorities have promised to develop for 30 years..."

Statements like this do not inspire confidence in the data presented. Is there a reference to the "medical authorities" promising to develop a "quick fix diabetes cure"???

Typo corrected[edit]

Made typo correction (the word 'under' was typed twice in a row) --fixman88 23:49, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Image[edit]

It would be nice to include an image by Mike Chiago and/or Leonard Chana (I just added a paragraph on their work), but copyright issues probably make it impossible (they would have to be licensed properly for use on Wikipedia) --Dsewell 01:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Neutral language[edit]

NPOV is needed in this article. Also, many items are cited as "fact" that are unverified or unverifiable. It is perhaps insensitive to say this, but the article is often more polemic than instructive. "Where does the number 25,000 come from?" "Where is the 52-year life expectancy referenced?" "'It is said' that additional funds would help - by whom? And with what relevance?"

Simply because there is a bitter history is not a good reason not to give sources of verification: if anything it is a very good reason to give irrefutable evidence and to keep the claims completely verifiable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.60.159.10 (talkcontribs) 20:15, 26 September 2006.

It would be more helpful if you could identify which parts of the post display a particular POV and could flag those items which you found objectionable, using (for example) {{fact}}. --Kynn 19:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Drug trafficking[edit]

A previous edit claimed that many on the reservation were involved in and profiting from illegal drug trafficking and the smuggling of undocumented ("illegal") immigrants. In response to a citation request, they cited David Kelly's LA Times article "Illegal Traffic Disrupts Reservation in Arizona." An incorrect web address was given for this in the citation section. I tracked down the article, which should be able to accessed at this [[1]]

However, there is absolutely NO REFERENCE in this article to the possibility that reservation residents are profiting from or actively involved in either drug trade or illegal immigration enterprises. Instead, the article consistently demonstrates reservation residents as opposed and irritated by both practices. I have no doubt that there may in fact be individuals on the reservation (like anywhere else) who choose to become involved in illegal enterprises, but David Kelly's article is a lousy source for this. If you want to insist on this point, you need to find a decent source which actually supports this, or else leave it out.Erik.w.davis 20:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Taxes and payments[edit]

The statement "In addition, there is a one-time monetary distribution to each Tohono O'odham upon reaching 18 years of age. The one-time distribution (called "the Thou" from the fact that at one point it was one thousand dollars) is presently $2,000 and is from the United States government in satisfaction of treaty obligations with the tribe" has no refrence work cited. What treaty is the writer refering to. Unsupoported statements such as these perpetuate the thought that Native Americans are living off of the government.---Julturney (talk) 15:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I am bcoming more and more convinced that it is in fact, more the other way around. According to current interpretation of the law, all native americans, and their land may be taxed (by state and local govts) unless it is held in trust by the federal government, regardless of the fact that they receive no services. Our govenment has millions of acres that are supposed to be native american, that were psuedo -annexed, with the proceeds to go to the native americans as a sort of rent.-you can argue semantics and I'm not being very clear-but this is the only reason the US is supposed to pay... we stole their land. We are arrears in payments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.221.117.107 (talk) 19:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

News articles[edit]

Sources for additions to the article:

Pronunciation[edit]

The article desperately needs a pronunciation guide, either in the phonetic symbols no one understands or in common phonetic English, of "O'odham." It looks a bit like an Irish name, but is it pronounced like "oodam," "odam", Oh, Odam" "Owed ham" "Oh oddham," "Owed'em" or what? It is unencyclopedic to just throw out some letters of the alphabet and expect readers to understand how the non-English word is pronounced. A recording by a native speaker of the language would be extremely helpful. Edison (talk) 02:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Factual error to Tohono O'odham Nation history.[edit]

There is a factual error on the Tohono O'odham page. The original reservation, the Papago Indian Reservation,established in 1874, is now the San Xavier District.

The main reservation comprised of 9 districts was formed decades later. 70.171.237.180 (talk) 04:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Citation error.[edit]

The link for the O'odham bibliography is actually http://home.nps.gov/applications/tuma/bibliography/ Additional information about the history of the O'odham since colonization can be found in Charles Bowden's book, "Killing the Hidden Waters", 1977. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quantnoir (talkcontribs) 20:10, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Population[edit]

I belive most Tohono O'odham live off the reservation in cities like Tucson, Nogales and Phoenix.The district with the fastest growth may be San Xavier. San Xavier is close to Tucson and home to two casinos. Could someone either expand on this or bring out contradicting information.

Citation for, "O'odham-speaking peoples were at odds with Apaches"[edit]

I found this reference for explaining the conflict between the O'odham and the apaches.

THE APACHE WARS

1. The Aravaipa Massacre (April 30, 1871) A. Peaceful Western Apaches established a village at Camp Grant B. 150 Tucson Vigilantes with Mexicans & Tohono O’odham attacked believing all Apache were evil C. 86 to 150, mostly women & children killed / Women raped, children carried to slavery

http://www.arizonahistoricalsociety.org/education/esperanza/native/apache_wars/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by RonCz (talkcontribs) 20:30, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Along the same line, I question the following statement: "It is noteworthy that the O'odham word for the Apache 'enemy' is ob. " Without knowing the definition of the word ob, it is not immediately obvious WHY this fact is noteworthy. (I suspect that what was meant was: "It is noteworthy that the O'odham use the same word, ob, to mean both 'enemy' and 'Apache'." Can anyone confirm this?) 71.43.254.122 (talk) 19:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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Population[edit]

This article says the population is 20,000, but an April 29, 2018 program on CNN said that the current population is 34,000, with 2,000 of these living in northern Mexico. 173.88.241.33 (talk) 03:20, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Border Issues[edit]

The content in the border issues section is very detailed, but I would like to organize it more chronologically and add some additional helpful information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan616 (talkcontribs) 16:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)